Dear Rexon Nting (Ph.D) and Msjoe Evelyn( M.A)
Are you some of the people who have been silent over the murder of Cameroon First Lady Jean-Irene Biya by her Husband Son Excellence ( H.E) Paul Biya because it is a "private matter"?
I see what you people really mean by pursuit of life ,liberty and happiness as an individual right, which to you people is the right to violate, abuse and kill others in private and then keep living in public because the two are not interconnected! This is pure ignorance.Sorry, it does not pass the test of today's world of transparency and acountability
In what planet are you people living in , right now Mr Dr Rexon Nting? Why is it that you get to be so subjective when your politics is at stake? Do you people have any sense of moral compass at all, Rexon Nting? I think you're indeed very confused with yourself. You need to really think twice about your morales. Look at what you have written below
We cannot succeed in building a virtuous and free society by hiding skeletons in the cupboard whether there are in private or public. If other societies are inclined to x-raying what transpires in both private and public lives of public personalities, then we, Cameroonians should not be an exception to the rule.
I have 4 examples , with ,which to buttress this concept but first of all why did the FBI go right into the home of a US Congressman to discover that he hid about 100.000.00 dollars inside his refrigerator like Chicken? Why did they not search only his office as a public matter and leave his home alone as a private matter?
Look at what you have written below
"Larry, The type of language you've used below to describe Bedzigui - esspecially talking publicly about his relationship with a certain girlfriend that led him to jail (whether right or wrong) - is not good. Those sort of problems are private matters that should never be brought into a public forum" Rexon Nting (Ph.D)
You people are driven to twist the truth and sometimes without even the slightest reservation and respect for the societies in , which you are blessed because of transparency and accountability. One must realize that some of you are on the wrongside of History.My comments are not necessarily in relation with what Larry has said about Bedzegui as I am about to weigh in on the flawed principle, upon you and Msjoe have unethically based your fallacies.
So, we should not talk about Paul Biya and the murder of his first wife, First Lady Jean-Irene Biya in public because it was a private matter? Why is it that some of you like to gamble like this with serious moral issues of our time affecting us Cameroonians and Africans? You are living in soceities that are becoming virtuous and free because what people do in private cannot be concealed from the public because of their position of power and infleunce.This means you people are outside of the mainstream of proper behavior for politicians and others who hold public offices.
Whatever is their comportment in private, it is known that it affects their public affairs to the extent,which there is no separation of the private from the public in matters of performance, efficiency and exemplary conduct as role models. Leaders are expected by the public offices to go the extra-mile to carry themselves with integrity because many young people do look up to them by virtue of their offices.
Does this explain to you without any logic why ;
Why did TigerWood's extra-marital affairs as a private matter encroached upon is public career as a Golf legend? Why did the world not simply ignore the matter and say that only him and his wife should deal with it in private?
Former IMF, Chief DSK just lost his job because of your so called "private matters".
Former New York Congressman just resigned and lost his job because of what you call, " those sort of private matters should never be brought into a public forum"
President Bill Clinton had sex with Monica Lewinsky as a Private matter, right?Then why did it become a public matter until he was almost impeached and removed from the White House?
It is not a bad idea to hold people accountable in public. The laws of politics encourage this but public accountability does not have to end up with condemnation if people are repentant(Rehabilitation is one way to repent). The recent sex scandal involving New York Congress man is a clear testimony to the fact that there is nothing like private life for people who hold public offices.Is that clear to you both?
Therefore , the irrational and emotional driven reaction of Rexon Nting and Msjoe against the comments of Mr Larry Eyong are unethical and inconsistent. What should be taken into consideration is the veracity of the accusations he has made and the severity because a mere argument or disagreement with women in America can land someone in jail for domestic violence.
Cameroonian women and perhaps most African women have been indoctrinated within the United States by other experienced women and perhaps their concubines that domestic violence accusations /case always favor women. Sometimes police does not even listen to the story of the male accused of perpetrating violence of any sort.
This has made domestic violence ( DV) to become a slippery slop for most men who are at the mercy of the system. It suffices for any woman to hit her boy friend or husband and then call 911. Granted the obscurity of this issue, one must be exremely slow to pass any judgment on the African male who might have been convicted of domestic violence and locked up ! If they have taken the anger management as stipulated by law and rehabilitated in society, then we have to Judge the new behavior.
It is equally true that there are some cases where some primitive men still carry with them the old mentality from Africa into this virtuous and free society. Most women who were abused while back in Cameroon have taken advantage of the system here in America to get out of the portracted relationship of abuse ,which they have endured since they were in Cameroon.
These category of victims found emancipation in America where these violent men cannot hit their spouses and get away with or cheat with women as they like. Women and men who suffer domestic violence and sometimes leads to homocide are sure to benefit from the Justice system with the help of Police and advocacy organizations.
Consequently, I cannot rush to establish that someone who was locked up by his girl friend was truly violent because most girl friends have a way to manipulate and exploit their victims. If it was true, then it is appropriate to question that in public.
Thanks
Jonathan Awasom
--- On Sun, 7/10/11, MsJoe21St@aol.com <MsJoe21St@aol.com> wrote:
From: MsJoe21St@aol.com <MsJoe21St@aol.com>
Subject: [camnetwork] Re: Larry on Mr Bedzigui Celestin: Un-productivity as a Sword?
To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com, Camerooniansforchange@yahoogroups.com, ACCDF@yahoogroups.com, camdesg@yahoogroups.com
Cc: FREE_Ambazonians@yahoogroups.com, amacam@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 9:55 AM
Hello Larry, Good Morning O
Arrrrrrrrh, from the bright light unfolding and coming through the windows, you are betraying your upbringing and woefully so. My coffee is brewing and I am shaking my head:
In what planet are you people living in , right now Mr Dr Rexon Nting? Why is it that you're get to be so subjective when your politics is at stake?
Do you people have any sense of moral compass at all, Rexon Nting? I think you're indeed very confused with yourself. You need to really think twice about your morales. Look at what you have written below
"Larry, The type of language you've used below to describe Bedzigui - esspecially talking publicly about his relationship with a certain girlfriend that led him to jail (whether right or wrong) - is not good. Those sort of problems are private matters that should never be brought into a public forum" Rexon NtingLarry, those who are genuinely committed to their own public cause with a healthy private life have little or no stomach to store and churn crap about other people's lives. Balanced people disagree at the instant of the issue. One may err in doing so by going overboard. It is up to anyone with his/her God to self-correct or not. When people with a sense of public purpose experience reoccurring source of un-gainful and irrelevant strife, they do not have to deal with it. Delete or block takes care of it. A time-proven rule for sure.
Why?
There is no enforced community on air or even on land. Some are gifted in what they choose to do and some drift and dart from issue to issue, describing what they don't like about what others are doing or shouldn't be doing. Another name for public nuisance is baptized when someone is anti this or that because of who is doing it; not because the position is inherently wrong and they cannot substantiate their cringe with any substance. Arrrrrh. People may manifest their public ideals without further clearance from a crowing nyet, no, nay sect.
Larry, do not cheat yourself from your destiny (if you have found it) by focusing on others or through wanton interference that has nary a thing to do with the issue at hand. And we are on public leadership and outcomes. But that is only one of Gardner's concept of multiple intelligence. I am not so sure which one you are displaying here because it will not pass the test of interpersonal skills that project socio-emotional know-how, which is indispensable for persuasive and empathetic roles.
What you are doing comes across like one of those who used to insult anyone in the village as a ruffian, and beat up other kids who appear cleaner. Anyone can get a passport to America. On that day of the interview, only one set of clean clothes is needed.
But Larry, that is not you!
Self-defense is okay. But what did Mr. Bedzugui do to you? He offered his opinions on the priority of dual citizenship vs. challenging Biya's tenureship. This has nothing to do with giving women rose flowers or beating them otherwise. Go to the next Anglophone movement and when it is your turn to speak. Say: Mr. Bedzigui was jailed in America because of girlfriend issues. Your astute compatriots would wonder whether you have been eating too much McDonald, using eru for salad, and you are now a moonlighting peeping Tom as a Jehovah witness abroad. So? To liberate VIKUMA or reclaim Afu-Akom with the bombshell? The misaligned blustering is my point. You would be wasting the time of well-meaning people in the assembly with such churlish show of indignation. Peddler of salacious funk will squirm and squeak. But at the end of the day, how does that itch forward any achievable agenda of your movement?
It is not as if you are a physically ugly person because that may also induce some blistering psychosis, which psychiatrists call projection. One may look at him/herself and feel so bad, mishandle the computer, and get into debates with the expressed purpose of inflicting pain because ugliness is what he/she sees. But how can you explain how a handsome and well brought up person like you would do this sort of thing?
Not handling transition from poverty in a levelheaded manner is also a source of aberrancy because people either want to shout from the rooftop and there is a nagging need to bring down those whom they think enjoyed while they were deprived and never dreamt of even aero-plane. But again, this is not you.
Lack of love from early orientation can turn some into public monsters. But you were not an unloved child left to fend for himself - emotionally and materially. Your parents gave you more values, too!
So Larry, what is wrong? If you cannot do this Southern Cameroon thing, has it become a sore loop on a perpetual docket? Beti people? Do you know that Bayangi people are marrying Betis? So how can you have a neat and purified divide by being profusely foul about it?
My friend, pursue your drive with your God-given (nature) and/or cultivated skills (nurture). The fruit of Larry's goal rides on what Larry is doing; not what A,B, C is doing that Larry does not like or whom Larry loves to dislike or hate.
Best regards,
MsJoe
In a message dated 7/10/2011 3:51:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sc_fungwa@yahoo.com writes:
There you go again Rexon. How difficult is it for you to accept that it is right for anyone in public glare to come clean or show evidence of rehab after committing a crime. In Cameroon style politics, that is inadmissible. But with your experience, living in the west, I expected you to quickly liaise your thinking with the numerous private scandals that most often lead to resignations for the good of the public. Occasionally the odd allegation may crop up. But not when someone has actually served a jail term for a crime and some of you want us to turn a blind eye. Wrong! I was just about raising my thumbs up to this new angel of a Celestin Bedzigui not knowing that he had skeletons in the closet. Then this revelation which I think you should really commend Larry for bringing it to our attention. Instead you elect to castigate him for divulging info which I think is of public interest
Thanks Larry for this very important disclosure. All those with skeletons in the closet must come clean when seeking public office or putting themselve forward to public attention.
Fungwa
From: rexon nting <rexon_nting@yahoo.com>
To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
Cc: cameroon politics <cameroon_politics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011, 22:55
Subject: [cameroon_politics] Re: [camnetwork] Re: Mr Bedzigui Celestin: La Double Nationalite Aux Portes du Cameroun
Larry, The type of language you've used below to describe Bedzigui - esspecially talking publicly about his relationship with a certain girlfriend that led him to jail (whether right or wrong) - is not good. Those sort of problems are private matters that should never be brought into a public forum. As an example, i have a friend now who is currently on bail for a marital offense that never was and without God's intervention, he can be sent to jail. We must learn to draw a line betweeen what is good for public consumption and what is not. In addition, i would like to advise that Bedzigui might have made some mistakes during his previous political engagements, but we must learn to respect and judge him from his current stance rather than his past. Part of the characteristic of a good leader is to not only be able to accept our mistakes but to be able to use it to make adjustments and continue on towards our original vision in fulfilling our goal. Bedzigui in my view is a fine gentleman with genuine interest in the development of Cameroon. He is not afraid of responsibilities and have taken steps even in the US towards continuing and achieving the vision that he set out to achieve in the beginning through different organisations - while recognising the mistakes he made. Rexon
To: camnetwork@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 9:59:13 PM
Subject: Re: [camnetwork] Re: Mr Bedzigui Celestin: La Double Nationalite Aux Portes du Cameroun
| Ladies and Gentlemen: I know Bidzigui as one of the tribalistic traitors of the 1990 Cameroonian revolution who sided with his Beti tribesman Biya to frustrate the SDF because it was a party of "Southern Cameroonians". Since he came to the US and abused his girl-friend got jailed in Philadelphia and wangled his way to get papers, he has suddenly become some formidable opposition leader to the younger generation which does not know the chicanery of some of these Francophones who believe that they have a birthright to lord it over us. When I see people like this gallivanting in the opposition , my Southern Cameroonian spin stiffens. Fool me once you are a fool ...but fool me twice and I am the fool. Those who take orders from Paris will not fool me again. I have seen the light Larry Eyong |
